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Industrial and scientific related topics => Astrophysics and space exploration => Topic started by: LISTR-93 on 13 March, 2021, 11:30:08 AM

Title: How can 'helicopters' fly on Mars?
Post by: LISTR-93 on 13 March, 2021, 11:30:08 AM
How can helicopter type drones fly on Mars considering that the Martian atmospheric pressure is far less than the Earth's? ???
Title: Re: How can 'helicopters' fly on Mars?
Post by: cybernut on 13 March, 2021, 01:07:51 PM
Don't know exactly but I'm guessing they would have ballast of some kind to increase the weight so as to compensate for the lower pressure.  How much ballast/weight would be based on how much less the atmospheric pressure of Mars is.
Title: Re: How can 'helicopters' fly on Mars?
Post by: LISTR-93 on 14 March, 2021, 01:25:28 AM
Yea I get that, I can see how that would 'hold it down', but isn't the atmospheric make-up completely different?  I just don't see how a rotary wing would work in it even if added weight would keep it more stable...
Title: Re: How can 'helicopters' fly on Mars?
Post by: blag-it Admin on 15 March, 2021, 03:06:15 AM
Yea I get that, I can see how that would 'hold it down', but isn't the atmospheric make-up completely different?  I just don't see how a rotary wing would work in it even if added weight would keep it more stable...
This is a good point and considering that the martian atmosphere is over 95% carbon dioxide, it's difficult to see how any winged craft would work in it.



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Title: Re: How can 'helicopters' fly on Mars?
Post by: ATH019 on 03 April, 2021, 11:59:25 AM
Wondering the same.  Maybe they discovered that rotary winged craft like a helicopter could work in different atmospheric compositions.



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Title: Re: How can 'helicopters' fly on Mars?
Post by: LISTR-93 on 04 April, 2021, 12:02:40 PM
Wondering the same.  Maybe they discovered that rotary winged craft like a helicopter could work in different atmospheric compositions.



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What would the rotor blades pull against though.  Resistance would be too low I think, could be wrong...
Title: Re: How can 'helicopters' fly on Mars?
Post by: ATH019 on 17 April, 2021, 01:56:05 AM
TBH I have no real idea, was just guessing they might have discovered that heli's can work in different atmospheres...



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Title: Re: How can 'helicopters' fly on Mars?
Post by: LISTR-93 on 04 May, 2021, 10:23:50 AM
TBH I have no real idea, was just guessing they might have discovered that heli's can work in different atmospheres...



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Yep, could be that, but if I remember my science lessons a long time ago correctly, the martian atmosphere is also very hot during the daytime because it's so thin and during the night time it's well below zero, a bit like desert conditions multiplied many times.  It would be like trying to fly a helicopter through a very hot or cold vacuum. 
Title: Re: How can 'helicopters' fly on Mars?
Post by: ATH019 on 05 May, 2021, 08:54:29 AM
Mars does have an atmosphere though, so not a vacuum.



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Title: Re: How can 'helicopters' fly on Mars?
Post by: LISTR-93 on 06 May, 2021, 09:36:53 AM
A very thin one, compared to earth I'd say it's virtually a vacuum... ::)
Title: Re: How can 'helicopters' fly on Mars?
Post by: a.flynn on 07 May, 2021, 08:07:51 AM
This is an interesting topic!  Isn't there something in physics that says a rapidly rotating something will start moving in a straight line even in a vacuum or near-vacuum conditions?  A bit like spinning top or gyro.
Title: Re: How can 'helicopters' fly on Mars?
Post by: ATH019 on 08 May, 2021, 04:16:20 PM
Yes, I think there is.  Well said!



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Title: Re: How can 'helicopters' fly on Mars?
Post by: blag-it Admin on 09 May, 2021, 08:08:26 AM
This is an interesting topic!  Isn't there something in physics that says a rapidly rotating something will start moving in a straight line even in a vacuum or near-vacuum conditions?  A bit like spinning top or gyro.
A very interesting topic.  Not sure as to the point though.  Very near to or within a strong gravitational body or force they might move in a straight line initially in a vacuum, but don't know about deep space conditions.  In any case, a spinning top or gyro isn't an aerofoil and visa-versa.


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Title: Re: How can 'helicopters' fly on Mars?
Post by: LISTR-93 on 10 May, 2021, 10:56:27 AM
This is it!  A gyroscope or spinning top might move in a straight line if spinning very fast due to gravitational attraction, but they're not aerofoils so not the same as helicopter rotors! 
Title: Re: How can 'helicopters' fly on Mars?
Post by: blag-it Admin on 11 May, 2021, 11:14:31 PM
No, not the same at all.  The former would move in a straight line initially if spinning very fast due to angular momentum, although in deep-space or zero gravity probably not, it would just stay fixed where it is.  The latter needs an atmospheric density that's great enough to pull against.



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